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My views on the argument
2008-01-30 21:05:33 / 个人分类:talk with the heaven
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-02-01 20:46:02
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I hope we can reach an agreement on the idea of China's education system. By this can we fight against the sick situation side by side. ------------
We have the same attitudes towards the current education system in china, so do a lot of other teachers. I just don't know how to change it. You know what a deplorable and pathetic situtation we are in now.
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-02-01 18:23:20
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To Monica.
Thank you for making my blog hot. wish you make me hot bodily. joking....
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Monica1981
发布于2008-02-01 10:37:21
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We made piggy's article so HOT...so it will appear at the front page of the website....
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kathy525
发布于2008-02-01 10:09:54
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Piggy,
Don't feel upset. I don't mean to hurt you.
I just want to make my opinion clear.
I understand the current situation you (we) are in, and that's why I 'm worried and eager to find the problems in it in order to change it.
That's why I exchange ideas with not only you but also foreigners, as long as you can help to find out what are the problems and possible solutions. Why not?
We are both teachers. Teachers have a great influence on coming generation. That's why I argue with you, I hope we can reach an agreement on the idea of China's education system. By this can we fight against the sick situation side by side.
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-31 17:32:10
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To Monica,
What you said is true. Teachers in a university are comparatively free to express their thoughts. However as middle school teachers, we are simply not permitted to do so. There is just a written rule against uttering any complaints, let alone others. We are bondaged, not free. We have to exactly what we are supposed to do. I have been called a reactionary in a way because I want to show my opinions. I have already suffered a lot for my persistence in doing something against the school rules which I think undue.
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Monica1981
发布于2008-01-31 16:55:22
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To Kathy,
Piggy has missed the main argument point which I and Ray carried on...
Since I made it clearly in my message to him, he has shown the exactly the same attitude as you:
Chinese should NOT feel ashamed to talk about problems in China to foreigners!
So basically, you guys don't have much difference in belief.....maybe you two have different working environment and personalities, that's why you choose different re-actions to the same issues....
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Monica1981
发布于2008-01-31 16:51:04
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To mingming,
Imaging if Monica were not here, how boring we are.......
She is so important for us, as we can learn so much native english....
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Are you trying to impress me, baby?...thanks...
Leave this kind of messages in my message box next time.....
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Monica1981
发布于2008-01-31 16:48:53
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To piggy for Kathy's messages,
She didn't say anything about feeling ashamed about China and Chinese people....If she said it somewhere, please directly quote it for me, thanks!
So I don't know why you say that to her.......
However, after reading Kathy's messages, I have to say her thinking is pretty western...maybe because she has many western workmates around her everyday....
Some of things she said reflect exactly how we treat each other and look at some issues.....
It is true that Western people don't smile to everyone.....that's why I keep saying you people's messages are full of fake politeness...
It is true that western people always have sth to say on every single bloody issue which make our government so headache.....
It is true that western people won't give a shit to what purpose of this website...they just leave all sorts of messages....you can find political messages on a hookers' website....so funny....
It is also true that western people believe that argument is a good thing....however, I know Chinese (most Chinese) think harmony is always better than arguments ina family....but we believe that only arguments can finally bering the true harmony in a family....
That's why I don't and never take any arument with any perosn here as a negative thing...it is good to argue so that more people will be aware of the issues.....
Say I and Ray both left messages there....when the next person comes in, she/he will read messages from both sides and make his/her own judgement.....and that's called speech freedom..
If only one opinion exists there, other readers can only get one type of messages so they may make the wrong judgement....
Whatsoever, the more you hear, the better you choose.....
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Monica1981
发布于2008-01-31 16:26:01
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I don't think ray harboured evil intentions......Your declaration makes me so sad. I have regarded you as my best friend here.
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Of course, he is not.....he is home-schooled but it doesn't mean he is evil....
Reagrding the friendship issues, you mistook what I mean....
You add Ray123 as your friend...but I won't....
I don't make friends with super stupid ideas....
That's why I say we have different opinions on what make a person qualified as our friends...
And that doesn't worry me if he is your friend...none of my business anyway....
We are friends....since we have exchanged opinions on so many issues.....
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-31 15:18:38
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To Kathy,
I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WERE ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR VIEWS ON THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IN CHINA.
However, you are only too radical.
If you are so brave, summon all your family members to make a strike, or a protest, rather than sneaking here wailing aloud.
Shame on you for feeling ashamed of your country and your countryman.
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mingmingy
发布于2008-01-31 15:06:17
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Imaging if Monica were not here, how boring we are.......
She is so important for us, as we can learn so much native english....
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kathy525
发布于2008-01-31 11:16:50
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your last paragraph,---------What I would like to say most is that the two sides of the argument should calm down and try to get reconciled to each other. I believe that if we smile at others, we will get smiles back. If we smile at life, life will smile back to us.
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I 'm glad to smile to some animal, say, cow , I mean, if I'm in good mood, but I'm afraid if he is able to show me a smile.
To someone who has nothing in common with you, just ignore him, let him be.
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kathy525
发布于2008-01-31 11:10:34
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You write,----------What is the worst, once I was given a hint by one of the leaders that I am not a capable teacher. I don’t know what to say.
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If a diligent teacher like you couldn't satisfy the bloody leaders, who else could??
And if I were you, I would bombard him on the spot instead of saying nothing.
Lukily, no leader of mine has once faced my rebellion for I have been considered to be a very capable staff member.
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kathy525
发布于2008-01-31 10:48:47
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you write,--------------Thirdly, we should have patience and tolerance to other, especially to those foreign friends.
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If a foreigner insulted you, don't be patient and tolerant, beat him to the ground.
If a foreigner criticized you bitterly because you did do something in a stupid or wrong way, that's NOT patient and tolerant if you didn't get angry, that should be GRATEFUL.
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kathy525
发布于2008-01-31 10:42:04
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To Piggy,
In fact, what you write in this article doesn't match the title of MY VIEWS ON THE ARGUMENT, I couldn't find your supporting details to neither side in the argument, but your view on HOW TO KEEP YOURSELF AWAY FROM TROUBLE WATER.
I feel very very sad then, because according to you, your students love you so much, so I guess you must have a great influence on them, but if the influence is not positive, I 'couldn't help worring about next generation.
Besides, I also find some pionts I don't agree with you as the following.
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I don’t think he has founded this website for us to touch upon sensitive political issues and make hot disputes on any of them...as may be the supervisor of all things here, will have trouble if we do so.
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Firstly, I definitely don't think discussing educational problem is to touch sensitive political issue, as many professors even criticize it on CCTV, which is broadcasted to the whole world.
I feel safe to talk about education system as long as I didn't shout Taiwan is not supposed to belong to a province of China.
And I also believe the purpose of the group who founded this space is to give people freedom to say anything they are interested, including political issues.
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Political issues, in my mind, should be the center of discussion only for these politicians, or those who are ardently interested in them.
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You are wrong, gentleman. Political issues SHOULD NOT BE the center of discussion only for these politicians. Every adult who loves his motherland should keep eyes open for what kind of world he is living in. yes, It is may not be your responsibility to establish and revise the political system, but at least you should care about it, but not turn a deaf ear like an outsider.
I have to say, Piggy, we are teachers who influence possible thousands of students in our whole life. If we don't plant in their minds the seeds of caring, thinking, questioning and creating a new and better world, our nation will die...
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Westerners are quite liberal in giving their views, though sometimes the views are given in a very sarcastic and bitter way. Patience and tolerance from both sides of the argument are very importance for us to maintain a lasting friendship.
I do agree Moni helps you a lot in English and she's a sweet girl in fact and I even envy you rate her as No.1 of your friend, but you know, she's worthy being loved because of her lovely character.
what I don't agree is not only western people give bitter comment, so do some clever Chinese. Bitter comment is far far better than fake commpliment.
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-31 08:16:19
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To Monica,
It is not bad for you to have had that argument with ray. Now you can understand a lot of life in China.
Most of us are either uninterested in talking about, or unwilling to touch upon politics in case there may be some trouble.
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-31 08:01:57
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To Monica,
I don't think ray harboured evil intentions.
We can't expect everyone agrees with our opinions and we can't make friends with all the people in the world. We seek and find all those affable, congenial in our eyes to be our friends.
Honestly, the way we define friends are different....I don't treat anyone as my friend and I believe if I do, that's only fake friendship!
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Your declaration makes me so sad. I have regarded you as my best friend here.
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-31 08:01:53
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To Monica,
I don't think ray harboured evil intentions.
We can't expect everyone agrees with our opinions and we can't make friends with all the people in the world. We seek and find all those affable, congenial in our eyes to be our friends.
Honestly, the way we define friends are different....I don't treat anyone as my friend and I believe if I do, that's only fake friendship!
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Your declaration makes me so sad. I have regarded you as my best friend here.
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Monica1981
发布于2008-01-31 01:42:56
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Your argument with Ray has in a sense become a hotile attack on each other. that is what made me sad.
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I also feel very disappointed about it...
And I have decided that if Ray keeps writing all the shits that he left.....I will ignore him....
And meanwhile, I believe it is because he knows exactly what's wrong with his belief but in order to save his face, he has to attact NZ to show that he is winning.....
So pathetic.........
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scoundrel1972
发布于2008-01-30 22:21:56
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Don't be radical.
What we can do is to persuade, not shout at them into doing as we want them to do.
also believe not only your genegration will NOT see China catch up with us.....
but also your son will not see it either...
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